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Jeong Cheong-rae Keeps Saying "No Comment" to Rhyu Si-min's Remarks, Passionately Addresses 'Shincheonji Allegations'?

[Ju Young-jin's News Briefing]

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■ Broadcast: SBS <Ju Young-jin's News Briefing> Mon–Fri (14:00 – 15:20)
■ Host: Ju Young-jin / Anchor
■ Guest: Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate
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● Interview with Democratic Party Leadership Candidate Jeong Cheong-rae

"Criticism of self-serving politics? If that's how one views oneself, others will see it that way too"
"The core support base must not turn its back... I decided to drink even a 'poisoned chalice'"
"If 'New Lee Jae-myung' becomes the party's mainstream, future elections will be difficult"
"I advocated the 'one person, one vote' system 10 years ago... A greater achievement than prosecution reform"
"Will sternly punish 'Shincheonji allegations'... It puts the entire Democratic Party in danger"
"Violation of church-state separation makes a party potentially unconstitutional... If there are grounds, a police investigation should be requested"
"If anyone raises rumors of involvement, I will take legal action through the strongest possible means"
"Kim Min-seok made it more problematic by not naming a specific candidate... Throwing accusations without accountability won't do"
"Controversy over President Lee Jae-myung's apartment sale? What matters is the intention to sell"
"Rhyu Si-min's remarks? Why wouldn't I have anything to say... Sometimes silence is better"
"Everyone is speaking out for the success of the Lee Jae-myung administration... The ultimate goal is the same"
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▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : As you may have guessed, Democratic Party leadership candidate Jeong Cheong-rae is here with us. Welcome.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Hello. I am Jeong Cheong-rae, candidate for party leader for a strong, reform-minded Democratic Party true to its name.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : I think this is the first time I've met former Party Leader Jeong Cheong-rae on Ju Young-jin's News Briefing.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Is that so?

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Right, I met you once during a news radio program. Thinking back, that was also during a party convention.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Yes, that's right. When I was party leader, I avoided media interviews or media play as much as possible. I tried not to engage in self-serving politics.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Nevertheless, why is there so much criticism from other candidates claiming that you are doing self-serving politics?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : If one's self-perception is like that, others will probably see it that way too.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Then, before talking about that, former Leader Jeong Cheong-rae must have a reason for wanting to serve as party leader again—to become the leader of the ruling Democratic Party once more. What is that reason?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Originally, I only thought as far as the broadcast exit polls for the local elections at 6:00 PM on June 3. My only focus was to achieve a good result in the local elections no matter what. However, contrary to my intentions, both during and before the party convention period, I frequently thought, 'Are they actually preparing for the convention? Why are they picking flaws in the party leader's every move?' Furthermore, at some point, as symbolized by terms like 'Moon-Jo-Teol-Rae-Yoo,' there were many actual moves that seemed to deny former presidents and undermine the tradition and identity of the Democratic Party. Even so, although I suspected they were doing so for the party convention, I simply ran for victory in the June 3 local elections. And the results of the June 3 local elections turned out as they did. After that, through various trends and movements of party members, I noticed a movement where the traditional, core support base of the Democratic Party was preparing to defect en masse, along with a drop in approval ratings. As I wondered, 'What should we do? This is serious,' I came to realize that another major wave supporting the two candidates who ran for party leader at the convention existed, and I felt that wave being projected onto me. As a simple example, 40,000 party members and supporters personally signed a petition delivered to my office urging me to run for party leader.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : 40,000 people?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Yes. 40,000 people. It wasn't reported well by the media, as they don't report such things. So upon receiving that directly, I felt that if I didn't run, I would be running away or evading responsibility. Thus, as I said, how could we overcome general elections and presidential elections without the tight unity of those who supported Kim Dae-jung, Roh Moo-hyun, Moon Jae-in, and Lee Jae-myung? How could it be possible if this large chunk, the core support base, turns its back? In the end, I decided that even if it were a poisoned chalice, I had to raise the glass.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : How can we overcome the situation where the core support base turns its back? Then, what kind of supporters are you referring to as the core support base, and why do you feel they are turning their back?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : They have a different stance from the so-called 'New Lee Jae-myung.' In fact, the largest group—the traditional core support base that supported Kim Dae-jung, Roh Moo-hyun, Moon Jae-in, and Lee Jae-myung—plus an extra element, which I don't really like to label, but the so-called 'New Lee Jae-myung,' should be added as a plus-alpha. But if the main pillar collapses and newly joined people become the party's mainstream, I thought we would face great difficulty in many upcoming elections.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : But from a certain perspective, if we look at past administrations, isn't it a natural phenomenon that each administration has its mainstream faction, and when the government changes, the mainstream faction changes?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Well, I don't know how to divide mainstream and non-mainstream, but in the Democratic Party, the traditional support base I just mentioned has always been the mainstream.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : So you mean they have always combined? For example, moving from DJ's Democratic Party to Roh Moo-hyun's Democratic Party, where DJ's traditional base moved over and merged with Roh Moo-hyun's supporters?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : That continued to combine and become a plus-alpha. For instance, when former Party Leader Moon Jae-in was shaken and the party actually split, people joined online—about 100,000 people—saying, 'Let's protect Moon Jae-in.' And during Leader Lee Jae-myung's tenure, when the Yoon Suk Yeol prosecutorial dictatorship engaged in opposition suppression, eliminating political rivals, and trying to destroy Lee Jae-myung, people joined en masse saying 'Let me protect Lee Jae-myung.' These people are, in the true sense, the new 'New Lee Jae-myung.' Those who entered after seeing the presidential victory are somewhat different from them.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : But regardless, right now it seems they are not combining, but rather lines are being drawn and there is a sign of division.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : That is why I felt that I, having carried the Democratic Party banner alongside those who supported Kim Dae-jung, Roh Moo-hyun, Moon Jae-in, and Lee Jae-myung, must fulfill this role even if it is difficult. As for those who left the party, wouldn't it be difficult to appeal to them? If someone asks, 'Why did you leave the party back then?', what would they say? Although some might have had no choice, those who have never left the party have no flaw in that regard. Even 10 years ago when I was cut off from nominations, I led 'The-Keot Campaign Squad' and campaigned for our nominated candidates despite not getting nominated myself. People still recall that today and say it was deeply moving, to the point that people wonder if such a thing ever happened in party history. I believe I deeply moved the party members, and it is more persuasive for someone like me to say, 'Let's all gather and try together.' On the other hand, those who left the party to help another party's candidate during an election—whatever their reason—and formed a new party that ultimately harmed our party's candidate in the general election, party members simply won't accept them.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : That was already 10 years ago.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : On March 10, which marked the 10th anniversary of my cutoff, I watched a video of myself serving in plain clothes in front of the party headquarters. I was astonished because back when I served as party leader, I often made statements during public Supreme Council meetings like, 'Just as the people are the owners of the country, party members are the owners of the party. We must create a party where party members hold sovereignty. We must implement a one person, one vote system.' When I watched that 10-year-old video, I realized I was saying the exact same thing back then: 'The people are the owners of the country, party members are the owners of the party, let's build a party of member sovereignty.' I had completely forgotten that and thought I was saying something new.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : So that has become an internalized conviction, political belief, and philosophy for politician Jeong Cheong-rae. Party member sovereignty.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : That's right.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Ten years—ten years for a politician...

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : It's the same as demanding direct presidential elections in 1987. In the party, one person gets one vote, but if a lawmaker gets 100, 200, 1,000, 3,000, or 4,000 votes while I get just one vote, who would recognize that as democracy? So I simply instituted the most fundamental principle.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : I see. You consider the one person, one vote system as the greatest achievement during your time as party leader Jeong Cheong-rae.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Actually, I thought people would mention prosecution reform as my greatest achievement. But during the June 3 local elections, I was surprised when I visited Jikjisa, a large temple in Gyeongsang Province. As soon as I got off my car, two monks came up and said, 'Leader, thank you for implementing the one person, one vote system.'

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Even monks said that to you...

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Yes, even monks spoke about it, and whenever I travel around the country, what people tell me most is about the one person, one vote system. They say, 'Thank you for instituting one person, one vote.' So I realized that the one person, one vote system meant much more to our active party members than I had imagined. They really like it. I didn't realize it to that extent.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Speaking of monks, at one point monks disliked Party Leader Jeong Cheong-rae quite a bit, didn't they? Has everything been resolved now?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : I am best friends with the monks now. Best friends.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : And regarding the monk you mentioned earlier, I suppose some monks are party members these days?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : That must be the case. It could be.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : So recently...

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Anyway, I visit temples a lot.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Do you visit temples often?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Bowing at a temple makes my mind very peaceful. Anchor Ju Young-jin, when your mind feels troubled, you should visit the main hall of a temple and bow three times.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Understood. I really enjoy walking in the mountains where temples are located. Speaking of which, regarding the Shincheonji issue, you recently stated that you would respond very strongly.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : I said I would sternly punish it.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Punish.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : This is completely unacceptable. If Shincheonji enters the Democratic Party's convention to exert influence, that makes us a party that violates the principle of separation of church and state defined in the Constitution, and raising such extremely dangerous statements could brand the party as unconstitutional. So, regardless of my advantage or disadvantage in the convention, this must be clearly clarified, and if there are grounds, an investigation must be requested. We must completely remove any possibility of being labeled an unconstitutional party. But raising vague allegations without substance, hitting and running, and passing the bomb like this is unacceptable. This is what I have been most furious about over the past decade. It is unacceptable. So if anyone raises rumors of involvement using my name, I will take legal action through the strongest possible means.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Candidate Kim Min-seok spoke to reporters today.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Then provide clear grounds based on the five Ws and one H. This matter cannot simply be brushed aside, and the anger of party members is reaching the sky. No matter how much a party convention involves calculations of advantage, how can anyone detonate such a dangerous nuclear bomb that could elevate the traditional ruling party into unconstitutional territory? This is unacceptable, and I say once again that I will punish it most sternly. I will definitely make them pay for their actions. I state this clearly.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Candidate Kim Min-seok said he never stated with his own mouth that you were connected to a specific candidate.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : That makes it even more problematic precisely because he didn't name a specific candidate.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : That makes it more problematic?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Yes. Didn't he blow smoke with the nuance that such things exist in the Democratic Party? Point someone out directly so that we can immediately request a police investigation. Then the truth will come out during the investigation, right? Lacking the confidence to do that, why throw out accusations without accountability and run away? I don't think that's right.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Candidate Kim Min-seok said he would present evidence soon and asked to leave that to him, so when he presents those grounds...

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : We shall see.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Candidate Jeong Cheong-rae will have to look at it and respond.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : In the current party convention phase, or after the local elections, I couldn't deliver a sweeping victory to satisfy our party members. Former Gangwon Governor Woo Sang-ho said 'a decision win is still a win,' but even so, as party leader, I felt responsibility toward party members. That's why the media described my actions as 'going into hiding,' but it wasn't hiding; I traveled nationwide non-publicly to express gratitude for my election, and where we lost, I kept saying, 'We are sorry, we lost because we were lacking, we will do better next time.'

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : After stepping down as party leader. When the media described it as going into hiding?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Yes. I was doing all those activities. So I actually tried to keep a low profile, avoiding media interviews and public statements. But this issue is not something to handle that way. The allegations regarding Shincheonji are extremely dangerous accusations that put our entire Democratic Party at risk, so I believe this cannot be forgiven or tolerated.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : When you were party leader, to ask briefly, when party registrations increased, did you hear anything about unusual signs?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : When local or general elections approach, candidates recruit active party members, so numbers increase significantly. Former Secretary-General Jo Seoung-lae disclosed all of this on Facebook today. We didn't accept everyone who submitted an application; if someone re-applied without knowing they were already registered, searching by address in Excel revealed it immediately. We reset and filtered out those applications, and even before these allegations were raised, in case specific religious groups or organizations joined, we sorted by address. So we filtered all of that out. Former Secretary-General Jo Seoung-lae wrote about this completely and clearly on Facebook. You can check that. Another thing mentioned to me was that I allegedly didn't pursue a special counsel investigation into Shincheonji.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Lawmaker Park Jie-won said something along those lines in a media interview today.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : That's why I want to address that point. There was an uproar over this in the Supreme Council today as well. Here's what happened: I kept arguing, 'Why only hold a special counsel for Unification Church? Let me do a special counsel for Shincheonji too, let me take both.' But during coordination among the party, government, and presidential office, I learned that there were no prosecutors available for dispatch. When you do a special counsel, you need dispatched prosecutors, but because multiple special counsels were running simultaneously...

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Because three special counsel investigations were running simultaneously back then.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : So President Lee Jae-myung also suggested handling this through a police investigation by a joint investigation headquarters. That was officially announced. Since a special counsel for manipulated indictments was scheduled, prosecutors would be dispatched then, while the Shincheonji and Unification Church matters would be investigated by the police. That was coordinated among the party, government, and presidential office. I kept advocating for a special counsel. But making it look as though I blocked or disrupted the special counsel, giving the impression that I favored Shincheonji—isn't that going too far? Anyone could easily look into this and find out the truth, including himself. As Anchor Ju Young-jin knows, the media constantly labels me a hardliner. Would a hardliner like me argue against a special counsel investigation into Shincheonji?

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Given that you're a hardliner.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : He said he would examine this point, so go ahead and examine it 100 or 1,000 times. See what comes out. This is simply not right.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Understood. I think our viewers clearly heard candidate Jeong Cheong-rae's explanation regarding Shincheonji, and now candidate Kim Min-seok needs to present his evidence.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Please state the evidence clearly based on the five Ws and one H.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Leader Jeong Cheong-rae led the ruling party through a major election, the local elections, during his 1-year tenure. And former Leader Jeong Cheong-rae is a politician who has spoken about the success of the Lee Jae-myung administration more than anyone else. However, reports are emerging suggesting that officials in the presidential office or candidate Kim Min-seok's side are saying that if former Leader Jeong Cheong-rae becomes party leader again, party-presidential relations will be over, with some aides in the presidential office reportedly making such remarks.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Did anyone bring a photo of the person who said that? It's all rumors. I believe it is not true.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : The reason I ask this question is that former Leader Jeong Cheong-rae must have wondered himself: 'Why do they keep saying that, when I am someone who has spoken about the success of the Lee Jae-myung government more than anyone else?'

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : I have had the most, deepest, and most candid conversations with President Lee Jae-myung over the past four to five years. I pride myself on understanding President Lee Jae-myung's state philosophy best. Is there anyone who knows better than me what needs to be done over the remaining four years to make the Lee Jae-myung administration successful and win the general and presidential elections to retain power? And during my 1 year as party leader, people claim I engaged in self-serving politics. Does someone doing self-serving politics avoid media interviews? Does someone doing self-serving politics refrain from making strategic nominations during local elections or parliamentary by-elections? Everything was decided through primaries. Has there ever been an article reporting that I parachuted my own people in? Right after I became party leader, all media outlets reported that I pursued a policy of harmony and neutrality. Lawmaker Lee Hae-sik, who didn't vote for me but voted for Park Chan-dae, laughed when I appointed him as head of the Strategic Planning Committee. Lawmaker Yoo Dong-soo was the same. If I wanted to do self-serving politics, shouldn't I appoint my own people to key party posts? Secretary-General Jo Seoung-lae didn't support me. Policy Committee Chair Han Jeoung-ae didn't support me. But whether they supported me or not ended with the convention; I personally appointed talented people who would work hardest in the right positions. What's the problem? Have you ever seen anyone doing self-serving politics act like that? Furthermore, on my 100th day in office, I didn't even hold a press conference. And this time when declaring my run for party leader, if I had done so during the president's overseas tour, people would have said, 'Look at that, Jeong Cheong-rae is at it again.'

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : That point was mentioned the most.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Other candidates declared their candidacy during the overseas tour. Yet the media doesn't make an issue of that. Why single me out?

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Probably because you were party leader for the past year. You can think of it as being subjected to relatively harsher standards.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : At any rate, while anyone is free to attack, I do not see it that way.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Recently, the issue of President Lee Jae-myung's private apartment transaction has been discussed over the past few days. The opposition party claims it was a trick transaction, and today the presidential office issued a detailed explanation through Fact Finder or property experts. What are your thoughts on that?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : The President went so far as to sell his own home. He expressed a strong commitment to stabilizing real estate. I believe that says it all. I don't know the exact details of the various issues being raised in the process, but that is not the crucial issue. What matters is the expression of the President's determination, and I view that as important and commendable.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Following commentator Rhyu Si-min's remark that 'The course chosen by President Lee Jae-myung will not succeed and will fail; expansion rather than reconstruction and redevelopment will also likely fail,' yesterday he went on to talk about 'the smell of rot' and that 'The head of New Lee Jae-myung is very likely President Lee Jae-myung himself.' Candidate Kim Min-seok strongly criticized this saying it is 'not the language of a comrade,' while asking why candidate Song Young-gil remains silent and targeting candidate Jeong Cheong-rae by asking how someone who cannot say a word can become Democratic Party leader. How would you respond?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : I believe saying too many words is also a problem. It causes more noise and disturbance. I prefer to leave that as a matter for the public and party members who heard those words to judge. It is not desirable for candidates running for party leadership to amplify and stir up further noise. Why wouldn't I have things to say? But I simply choose to say 'no comment.'

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Continuing with 'no comment.' You know better than anyone how 'no comment' will be interpreted.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : People can interpret it as they see fit. And some people say they take an NCND stance (Neither Confirm Nor Deny) on certain issues. Then why adopt NCND oneself?

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : NCND also carries its own accepted meaning.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Exactly. Is it that they can use NCND, but I shouldn't say 'no comment' because I'm a former party leader?

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Does saying 'no comment' to commentator Rhyu Si-min's remarks mean letting people interpret for themselves whether you agree or not?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Yes. Because sometimes silence is better.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Understood. But is it right for people who wish for the success of the Lee Jae-myung administration to remain silent when hearing that the course of the Lee Jae-myung administration and President Lee Jae-myung will fail?

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : I believe everyone is saying various things ultimately for the success of the Lee Jae-myung government, in the broader scheme of things. The route from Busan to Seoul can vary. But I believe the ultimate goal, hope, and wish remain the same.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : I think you can answer this question briefly. Personally, what I was most curious about during the last election was why the Democratic Party under Leader Jeong Cheong-rae nominated candidates in all parliamentary by-election districts. Candidate Cho Kuk, who even talked about party merger, was running, yet Leader Jeong Cheong-rae firmly stated that doing so was a matter of principle.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : It's like this: The Rebuilding Korea Party claimed that because the Democratic Party was at fault, it should not field candidates. Should the Democratic Party leader then say, 'Yes, understood, we won't field candidates'? But the facts were unclear. When the Democratic Party was at fault during the Jeonju by-election, the party constitution and rules were structured that way. But those rules were amended. Therefore, under the party constitution and rules, there was no obligation to abstain from nominating candidates. I believed that under the amended rules, that issue was resolved. When asked such a question, saying 'Yes, we won't field candidates' would have been a bigger problem. So I stated we would nominate candidates in all districts and did so. Is it not entirely natural for the main ruling party to nominate candidates across all districts? It would be stranger not to do so.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Understood. Over 20 minutes have passed in this interview with candidate Jeong Cheong-rae, but it felt so brief since it's been a while.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Didn't time fly by too fast?

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : I'll give you about 30 seconds. If Jeong Cheong-rae becomes the Democratic Party leader again, how will the Democratic Party change? Please share your thoughts.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : I have never left the party in my life. I will keep the Democratic Party true to its name—a party worthy of the Democratic Party. I am confident that I am the person who will protect President Lee Jae-myung to the end. Since I will protect the Democratic Party, Lee Jae-myung, and the success of President Lee Jae-myung, I ask party members to protect Jeong Cheong-rae.

▷ Ju Young-jin / Anchor : Understood. That was an interview with Democratic Party leadership candidate Jeong Cheong-rae. Thank you for your time.

▶ Jeong Cheong-rae / Democratic Party Leadership Candidate : Thank you.
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